Please respond to genre/subgenre problem

I have twice completed time-consumig audits of the keywords for “Once Upon a Time” (2011) - 156 episodes, twice! All keyword deletions, additions and corrections were accepted EXCEPT for deletions of the subgenres “folk-tale fantasy” and “teen-fantasy” at the episode level. These subgenres already exist at the series level, so they should not be repeated at the episode level. Could you please correct this. And, while you're at it, how about accepting all my "close to 1,000" correct genre contributions that have been incorrectly declined. As I have often stated, my goal is to help make IMDb more accurate than it already is. I hope that is the goal of the staff, too. Thanks, In advance.

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bradley_kent

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The problem is: By not adding a missing genre AS a genre, you are destroying information When an incorrect keyword that incorrectly includes a genre (or two or more) is correctly deleted, that genre must be added as a genre if it is missing, or the information is lost. Example: A title has the incorrect keyword ”musical-comedy.” That incorrect keyword is correctly deleted. Then, that title must have "musical” and “comedy” as genres. If one or the other is missing as a genre, it must be added as a genre. In doing so, that title is correctly reported as a “Musical Comedy.” It is really very simple. By adding a missing genre, you are acknowledging the facts and will also be adhering to IMDb’s very own guidelines.

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Hi bradley_kent - We appreciate your suggestion here. Currently, genres and keywords are separate data types and get processed separately. Additionally, an issue with automatically replacing removed genre keywords as 'genres', is that one or both could be incorrect genres for the title.

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And, one or both could ALSO be correct. Currently, at IMDb, VERY FEW, IF ANY of my genre contributions are considered correct. I don’t mean to be paranoid, but I wonder if maybe somone(s) is (are) out to get me, a longtime, prolific, conscientious contributor. I object.

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bradley_kent

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I know that these two subgere keyword contributions were ot approved. Why? Under current guidelines, the only exception where keywords at. the episode level may be duplicate keywords at the series level are anthology series where each episode is a distinct story.

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So... How does one get the subgenre keywords “fairly-tale- fantasy” and “teen-fantasy” deleted from every episode of “Once upon a Time” since they already exist at the series level? They were all submitted, but not processed correctly.

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Michelle

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Hi bradley_kent - Concerning the keyword deletions you reported for "Once Upon A Time", can you post some of the recent 18-digit submission reference numbers here for our staff to investigate?

bradley_kent

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The problem is: The subgenres “fairy-tale-fantasy: and "teen-fantasy” are correctly listed at the series level, SO they need to be deleted at the episode level. The deletions are not being accepted. Two genres are not involved In this case, and this title already has Fantasy as a genre. IF the subgenre keyword at the episode level has TWO genres, both genres may also be correct. ALL MY GENRE ADDITIONS ARE BEING DECLINED. If one of the genres in such a keyword is incorrect, should it have been listed at the epsode level for very episode? How can something be “sub” to something else, IF that something else does not exist? Logically, impossible. At the episode level, Subgere and Plot Timetable keywords are also not being deleted, and the category Plot Timeframe:is not being added when needed. Date/Time Summary 250922-172809-792000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 17:28:09 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Best Laid Plans (#4.17)} Keywords - 18 items deleted 250922-172450-194000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 17:24:50 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Poor Unfortunate Soul (#4.16)} Keywords - 2 items corrected, 15 items deleted 250922-171843-438000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 17:18:43 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Enter the Dragon (#4.15)} Keywords - 24 items deleted 250922-171520-589000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 17:15:20 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Unforgiven (#4.14)} Keywords - 18 items deleted 250922-171203-847000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 17:12:03 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Darkness on the Edge of Town (#4.13)} Keywords - 20 items deleted 250922-170911-461000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 17:09:11 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Heroes and Villains (#4.12)} Keywords - 22 items deleted 250922-170552-113000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 17:05:52 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Shattered Sight (#4.11)} Keywords - 14 items deleted 250922-170241-922000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 17:02:41 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Fall (#4.10)} Keywords - 1 item corrected, 20 items deleted 250922-165915-167000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 16:59:15 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Smash the Mirror: Part 2 (#4.9)} Keywords - 16 items deleted 250922-165701-295000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 16:57:01 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Smash the Mirror: Part 1 (#4.8)} Keywords - 16 items deleted 250922-165440-396000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 16:54:40 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {The Snow Queen (#4.7)} Keywords - 1 item corrected, 21 items deleted 250922-165052-693000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 16:50:52 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Family Business (#4.6)} Keywords - 15 items deleted 250922-164759-078000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 16:47:59 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Breaking Glass (#4.5)} Keywords - 1 item corrected, 15 items deleted 250922-164433-509000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 16:44:33 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {The Apprentice (#4.4)} Keywords - 17 items deleted 250922-164042-734000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 16:40:42 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Rocky Road (#4.3)} Keywords - 18 items deleted 250922-163722-887000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 16:37:22 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {White Out (#4.2)} Keywords - 20 items deleted 250922-163447-213000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 16:34:47 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {A Tale of Two Sisters (#4.1)} Keywords - 12 items deleted 250922-163109-991000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 16:31:09 Django Unchained (2012) Genres - 1 item added 250922-070531-838000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 07:05:31 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {There's No Place Like Home (#3.22)} Keywords - 2 items corrected, 22 items deleted 250922-070054-292000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 07:00:54 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Snow Drifts (#3.21)} Keywords - 1 item corrected, 17 items deleted 250922-065626-745000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 06:56:26 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Kansas (#3.20)} Keywords - 3 items corrected, 22 items deleted 250922-065124-210000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 06:51:24 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {A Curious Thing (#3.19)} Keywords - 1 item corrected, 28 items deleted 250922-064732-033000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 06:47:32 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Bleeding Through (#3.18)} Keywords - 1 item corrected, 14 items deleted 250922-064402-756000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 06:44:02 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {The Jolly Roger (#3.17)} Keywords - 3 items corrected, 16 items deleted 250922-064051-034000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 06:40:51 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {It's Not Easy Being Green (#3.16)} Keywords - 2 items corrected, 19 items deleted 250922-063721-644000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 06:37:21 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Quiet Minds (#3.15)} Keywords - 1 item added, 3 items corrected, 17 items deleted 250922-062519-203000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 06:25:19 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {The Tower (#3.14)} Keywords - 2 items corrected, 22 items deleted 250922-062124-830000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 06:21:24 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Witch Hunt (#3.13)} Keywords - 3 items corrected, 26 items deleted 250922-061516-559000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 06:15:16 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {New York City Serenade (#3.12)} Keywords - 25 items deleted 250922-061014-442000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 06:10:14 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Going Home (#3.11)} Keywords - 2 items corrected, 20 items deleted 250922-054751-157000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 05:47:51 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {The New Neverland (#3.10)} Keywords - 2 items corrected, 14 items deleted 250922-054359-005000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 05:43:59 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Save Henry (#3.9)} Keywords - 3 items corrected, 15 items deleted 250922-053911-094000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 05:39:11 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Think Lovely Thoughts (#3.8)} Keywords - 2 items corrected, 12 items deleted 250922-053204-319000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 05:32:04 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Dark Hollow (#3.7)} Keywords - 4 items corrected, 11 items deleted 250922-052619-065000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 05:26:19 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Ariel (#3.6)} Keywords - 3 items corrected, 18 items deleted 250922-052006-845000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 05:20:06 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Good Form (#3.5)} Keywords - 3 items corrected, 11 items deleted 250922-051527-406000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 05:15:27 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Nasty Habits (#3.4)} Keywords - 2 items corrected, 14 items deleted 250922-050932-446000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 05:09:32 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Quite a Common Fairy (#3.3)} Keywords - 1 item corrected, 13 items deleted 250922-050110-948000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 05:01:10 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Lost Girl (#3.2)} Keywords - 2 items corrected, 22 items deleted 250922-045455-856000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 04:54:55 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {The Heart of the Truest Believer (#3.1)} Keywords - 3 items corrected, 12 items deleted 250922-044811-061000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 04:48:11 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {And Straight on 'til Morning (#2.22)} Keywords - 17 items deleted 250922-044456-441000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 04:44:56 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Second Star to the Right (#2.21)} Keywords - 1 item corrected, 13 items deleted 250922-044022-862000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 04:40:22 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {The Evil Queen (#2.20)} Keywords - 1 item corrected, 17 items deleted 250922-042615-691000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 04:26:15 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Lacey (#2.19)} Keywords - 2 items corrected, 16 items deleted 250922-042115-304000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 04:21:15 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Selfless, Brave and True (#2.18)} Keywords - 1 item corrected, 8 items deleted 250922-041359-464000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 04:13:59 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Welcome to Storybrooke (#2.17)} Keywords - 2 items corrected, 10 items deleted 250922-040937-145000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 04:09:37 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {The Miller's Daughter (#2.16)} Keywords - 1 item corrected, 12 items deleted 250922-040449-120000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 04:04:49 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {The Queen Is Dead (#2.15)} Keywords - 16 items deleted 250922-035811-970000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 03:58:11 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Manhattan (#2.14)} Keywords - 1 item corrected, 11 items deleted 250922-035501-311000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 03:55:01 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Tiny (#2.13)} Keywords - 2 items corrected, 11 items deleted 250922-035108-066000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 03:51:08 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {In the Name of the Brother (#2.12)} Keywords - 1 item corrected, 11 items deleted 250922-025513-422000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 02:55:13 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {The Outsider (#2.11)} Keywords - 1 item corrected, 14 items deleted 250922-025106-354000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 02:51:06 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {The Cricket Game (#2.10)} Keywords - 1 item corrected, 24 items deleted 250922-024632-630000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 02:46:32 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Queen of Hearts (#2.9)} Keywords - 2 items corrected, 16 items deleted 250922-024200-130000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 02:42:00 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Into the Deep (#2.8)} Keywords - 13 items deleted 250922-023940-223000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 02:39:40 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Child of the Moon (#2.7)} Keywords - 1 item corrected, 13 items deleted 250922-023620-690000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 02:36:20 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Tallahassee (#2.6)} Keywords - 2 items corrected, 12 items deleted 250922-023249-968000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 02:32:49 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {The Doctor (#2.5)} Keywords - 2 items corrected, 14 items deleted 250922-022726-123000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 02:27:26 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {The Crocodile (#2.4)} Keywords - 1 item corrected, 7 items deleted 250922-022435-366000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 02:24:35 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Lady of the Lake (#2.3)} Keywords - 16 items deleted 250922-022043-644000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 02:20:43 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {We Are Both (#2.2)} Keywords - 1 item corrected, 15 items deleted 250922-021606-610000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 02:16:06 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Broken (#2.1)} Keywords - 1 item corrected, 22 items deleted 250922-021044-039000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 02:10:44 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Leaving Storybrooke (#7.22)} Keywords - 1 item corrected, 22 items deleted 250922-020427-473000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 02:04:27 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Hyperion Heights (#7.1)} Keywords - 13 items deleted 250922-020137-088000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 02:01:37 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {An Apple Red as Blood (#1.21)} Keywords - 25 items deleted 250922-015738-629000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 01:57:38 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {The Stranger (#1.20)} Keywords - 15 items deleted 250922-014534-773000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 01:45:34 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {The Return (#1.19)} Keywords - 2 items corrected, 13 items deleted 250922-014202-930000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 01:42:02 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {The Stable Boy (#1.18)} Keywords - 1 item corrected, 17 items deleted 250922-013612-613000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 01:36:12 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Hat Trick (#1.17)} Keywords - 1 item corrected, 18 items deleted 250922-012914-643000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 01:29:14 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Heart of Darkness (#1.16)} Keywords - 11 items deleted 250922-012514-686000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 01:25:14 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Red-Handed (#1.15)} Keywords - 1 item corrected, 11 items deleted 250922-012041-242000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 01:20:41 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) Keywords - 1 item added 250922-011742-689000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 01:17:42 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Dreamy (#1.14)} Keywords - 6 items corrected, 12 items deleted 250922-011224-556000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 01:12:24 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {What Happened to Frederick (#1.13)} Keywords - 1 item corrected, 15 items deleted 250922-010820-679000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 01:08:20 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Skin Deep (#1.12)} Keywords - 1 item corrected, 11 items deleted 250922-010224-836000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 01:02:24 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Fruit of the Poisonous Tree (#1.11)} Keywords - 3 items corrected, 18 items deleted 250922-005632-265000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 00:56:32 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {7:15 A.M. (#1.10)} Keywords - 1 item corrected, 11 items deleted 250922-005229-697000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 00:52:29 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {True North (#1.9)} Keywords - 12 items deleted 250922-004911-666000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 00:49:11 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Desperate Souls (#1.8)} Keywords - 2 items corrected, 10 items deleted 250922-004551-171000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 00:45:51 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {The Heart Is a Lonely Hunter (#1.7)} Keywords - 3 items corrected, 19 items deleted 250922-003942-950000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 00:39:42 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {The Shepherd (#1.6)} Keywords - 1 item corrected, 16 items deleted 250922-003118-025000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 00:31:18 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {That Still Small Voice (#1.5)} Keywords - 16 items deleted 250922-002527-496000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 00:25:27 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {The Price of Gold (#1.4)} Keywords - 21 items deleted 250922-002112-084000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 00:21:12 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Snow Falls (#1.3)} Keywords - 17 items deleted 250922-001654-667000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 00:16:54 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {The Thing You Love Most (#1.2)} Keywords - 3 items corrected, 26 items deleted 250922-000453-073000 Track Contribution 2025-09-22 00:04:53 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {A Land Without Magic (#1.22)} Keywords - 1 item corrected, 29 items deleted 250921-235341-456000 Track Contribution 2025-09-21 23:53:41 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Pilot (#1.1)} Keywords - 4 items corrected, 41 items deleted 250921-234530-667000 Track Contribution 2025-09-21 23:45:30 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) Keywords - 3 items added, 2 items corrected, 6 items deleted 250921-130936-864000 Track Contribution 2025-09-21 13:09:36 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) Keywords - 5 items corrected, 3 items deleted 250921-063417-571000 Track Contribution 2025-09-21 06:34:17 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Page 23 (#6.14)} Keywords - 7 items corrected, 16 items deleted 250921-062551-303000 Track Contribution 2025-09-21 06:25:51 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Heart of Darkness (#1.16)} Keywords - 5 items deleted 250921-062155-136000 Track Contribution 2025-09-21 06:21:55 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Red-Handed (#1.15)} Keywords - 1 item corrected, 7 items deleted 250921-061608-652000 Track Contribution 2025-09-21 06:16:08 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Quiet Minds (#3.15)} Keywords - 7 items deleted 250921-060846-986000 Track Contribution 2025-09-21 06:08:46 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Snow Falls (#1.3)} Keywords - 5 items deleted 250921-060431-334000 Track Contribution 2025-09-21 06:04:31 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {True North (#1.9)} Keywords - 1 item corrected, 6 items deleted 250921-060011-747000 Track Contribution 2025-09-21 06:00:11 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {7:15 A.M. (#1.10)} Keywords - 5 items deleted 250921-053351-291000 Track Contribution 2025-09-21 05:33:51 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Homecoming (#7.21)} Keywords - 5 items corrected, 13 items deleted 250921-052843-239000 Track Contribution 2025-09-21 05:28:43 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Is This Henry Mills? (#7.20)} Keywords - 1 item added, 11 items corrected, 14 items deleted 250921-052102-532000 Track Contribution 2025-09-21 05:21:02 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {Flower Child (#7.19)} Keywords - 8 items corrected, 12 items deleted 250921-051711-285000 Track Contribution 2025-09-21 05:17:11 "Once Upon a Time" (2011) {The Guardian (#7.18)} Keywords - 7 items corrected, 11 items deleted

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Hi bradley_kent - I appreciate you sharing these submission examples. I've thoroughly reviewed the deletion requests and consulted with our team regarding these cases. I can confirm that these update requests were not approved. We allow for flexibility in keyword usage, permitting the same keyword to appear on both the main series title page and individual episode pages. This approach ensures comprehensive coverage and searchability across different levels of content. I hope this helps clarify our position.

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bradley_kent

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No. It doesn’t. "flexibility in keyword usage, permitting the same keyword to appear on both the main series title page and individual episode" is a huge contradiction of IMDb’s own guidelines and an insult to contributors. In effect, you are asking the contributor to somehow read the subjective minds of the processors to determine IF a keyword (or genre) is acceptable. This is an impossibility. “Impossible! Impossible! Impossible,” as Pygmalion/My Fair Lady’s Henry Haggins would say. Guidelines should be followed or they should be revised, or we will all drown in a sea of unknowable and indiscenable subjectivity.

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