Replace original title

@Maya​ 
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how many times i should do that?
film with title "Isev drakonze da raindze" does not exists in Georgian cinematography

Hi @a_pavliashvili,

If you previously did not, then include a screenshot how the title appears on-screen in Georgian language. As I understand, there is a video source of this movie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw2D0HbP6QY

You can post the screenshot as evidence in this thread.

And please note: There is no sense to repeat the submissions more than once or two. When multiple times they receive one and the same which was previously declined, then your credibility as contributor can be neglected.

When I first tried to change the original title, it was rejected because it was listed as an alternative title. Then I tried removing it from the alternative titles and adding it as the original title, but that wasn't approved either. So honestly, I don't know what else I can do.

The original Georgian title is "Isev mzechabuksa da gveleshapze": http://geocinema.ge//en/movies/7081

This is the official database of the Georgian National Film Center's "Georgian Film" website, where the film's original Georgian title is officially listed.

The title "Isev drakonze da raindze" is a mistranslation of the Russian title into Georgian, which was then transliterated into Latin letters. So someone first mistranslated the Russian title into Georgian and then added that mistranslated version as a transliteration, resulting in a title that is wrong twice over.

Hi @a_pavliashvili,

It is great that you provided a direct link to the official site of the Georgian National Film Center, but in this particular case the linked page includes no still images from the movie and no mentions of how it is named in other languages (at least the international English title could be helpful). So the IMDb editors may see no relation between the provided evidence and the questionable IMDb title, they can think about possible existence of two different titles and can expect the second title page to be added in future.

With that said, you are previously advised to provide direct links to the video source in original Georgian language as the main evidence, which can be seconded with a screenshot of the on-screen title, and all the rest of information is additional. I could make the change in few seconds for you, but for a long time you are keeping interest to IMDb contributing, so I prefer to advice further until you succeed over current mistakes. When submitting, you can also provide links to IMDb Sprinklr posts as evidence when there are factual data included.

PS: I am a contributor, not a staff, if you remember.

@Maya​ can you help...

@MAthePA​ 

The reason is that they don't change the title because the original title already exists as an alternative title. And when I try to remove it from the alternative titles in order to add it as the original title, they don't allow that either.

Regarding the title and languages of Soviet films, you and all contributors, as well as the staff, should know that these films were generally filmed in the native language of the country where they were produced. Only when a film was produced for a premiere across the entire USSR was it filmed in two languages.

This means that during filming, two separate takes (doubles) were made for each scene: one take in the native language and a second take in Russian. In some cases, this also means that actors in the same film speak two different languages, depending on which take is being used.

Therefore, such a film can be considered to have been originally filmed in two languages, but the first/original language is the native language of the film production company, while Russian was the second language for the USSR-wide release.

I hope I explained this clearly.

Hi @a_pavliashvili,

This is your fantasy:

The reason is that they don't change the title because the original title already exists as an alternative title. And when I try to remove it from the alternative titles in order to add it as the original title, they don't allow that either.

I believe that no such or similar explanations were given when your submissions declined. And, unfortunately, you keep ignoring the recommendations given before. No one is forcing or pushing, it's only your choice: to use a new knowledge in practice for your success or to leave it behind. But the longer you try ineffective ways, the faster your credibility as a contributor is dropping down. This is how the system works (partially automatic).

As for the rest of your comment above starting with "Regarding the title and languages..." and down to the end of your message -- it is true, but has no relation and does not explain how that questionable title could have two significantly different meanings when translated in English from two other different languages of possible releases.

@MAthePA​ 

Just as you didn’t understand it, others probably won’t either. The title currently used, written in Latin letters, is neither the English name, nor the Russian name, nor the Georgian name. That is the problem: it is a transliteration of an incorrectly translated name.

Russian title: «Снова о драконе и витязе» → “Snova o drakone i vitjaze” (transliteration)

Georgian title: «ისევ მზეჭაბუკსა და გველეშაპზე» → “Isev mzechabuksa da gveleshapze” (transliteration)

English translated title: “Again About the Knight and the Dragon”

As for “Isev drakonze da raindze”, how that came about is something I have already explained several times. 

Maya

It's just strange to see when people, unable to solve a problem without others help, think they know how to solve it, while others don't.

@a_pavliashvili,

Perhaps all involved have clear understanding that the English alternate title “Again About the Knight and the Dragon” has been translated from either "Снова о драконе и витязе" or from "ისევ დრაკონზე და რაინდზე" (transliterated into “Isev drakonze da raindze”).

But you, a native speaker, did NOTHING to help others (the editors in first turn) to have clear understanding how another title "ისევ მზეჭაბუკსა და გველეშაპზე" (transliterates into “Isev mzechabuksa da gveleshapze”), which has to be translated as "Again about the Sun and the Dragon", can be original one for the existing title known as “Again About the Knight and the Dragon”.