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Wednesday, August 9th, 2017 5:14 AM

Live Poll: Best Movie On IMDb Top 250's Shadow List

Most of these movies spent the majority of the past twenty years listed on the IMDb Movie Top 250. Despite their lengthy stays as fixtures in the IMDb Top 250 these movies have been replaced by newer, more popular, more worldly and higher rated options in recent years. The Shadow 100 comprises movies that have disappeared from the IMDb Top 250, but have been on it the longest. Given the IMDb Top 250's eligible movies pool growth, its widening international scope, its higher inclusion thresholds and the nature of voting for movies, the likelihood of these movies reclaiming an IMDb Top 250 Movie spot is slim.

Which of these selected Shadow 100 movies is currently not listed in the IMDb Top 250, but formerly a long time IMDb Top 250 member, would you rate the highest? Source: IMDb Movie Top 250 Shadow 100

See the partial list of former IMDb Top 250 long time movies here: http://www.imdb.com/list/ls020738432

Poll: http://www.imdb.com/poll/on2M9P3K7H4/

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CURRENT SHADOW 100 HONORABLE MENTIONS
Stalag 17 (1953)

Highest IMDb Top 250 Rank: 121 (on 22 January 1997)
Last IMDb Top 250 Appearance: 17 January 2015
Shadow Rank: 11 out 100 79%+
(As of 10 August 2017)
Stalag 17 (1953) 17 Jan '15 79% Chart IMDb

La Strada (1954)

Highest IMDb Top 250 Rank: 138 (on 1 August 1999)
Last IMDb Top 250 Appearance: 15 January 2016
Shadow Rank: 12 out 100 78%+
(As of 10 August 2017)
La Strada (1954) 15 Jan '16 78% Chart IMDb

Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? (1966)

Highest IMDb Top 250 Rank: 105 (on 16 November 1999)
Last IMDb Top 250 Appearance: 22 May 2016
Shadow Rank: 13 out 100 75%+
(As of 10 August 2017) 
Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? (1966) 22 May '16 75% Chart IMDb

Harvey
(1950)
Highest IMDb Top 250 Rank: 137 (on 12 April 1999)
Last IMDb Top 250 Appearance: 12 October 2013
Shadow Rank: 21 out 100 63%+
(As of 10 August 2017)
Harvey (1950) 12 Oct '13 63% Chart IMDb

Kind Hearts and Coronets (1949)
Highest IMDb Top 250 Rank: 126 (on 13 December 2007)
Last IMDb Top 250 Appearance: 19 February 2017
Shadow Rank: 22 out 100 61%+
(As of 10 August 2017)
Kind Hearts and Coronets (1949) 19 Feb '17 61% Chart IMDb

Shadow of a Doubt (1943)
Highest IMDb Top 250 Rank: 144 (on 30 June 2006)
Last IMDb Top 250 Appearance: 19 March 2013
Shadow Rank: 35 out 100 51%+
(As of 10 August 2017)
Shadow of a Doubt (1943) 19 Mar '13 51% Chart IMDb

The African Queen (1951)

Highest IMDb Top 250 Rank: 39 (on 20 August 1998)
Last IMDb Top 250 Appearance: 10 November 2010
Shadow Rank: 43 out 100 47%+
(As of 10 August 2017)
The African Queen (1951) 10 Nov '10 47% Chart IMDb

A Christmas Story (1983)

Highest IMDb Top 250 Rank: 73 (on 30 December 1998)
Last IMDb Top 250 Appearance: 27 December 2014
Shadow Rank: 56 out 100 40%+
(As of 10 August 2017)
A Christmas Story (1983) 27 Dec '14 40% Chart IMDb

The Avengers (2012)
 
Highest IMDb Top 250 Rank: 25 (on 8 May 2012)
Last IMDb Top 250 Appearance: 06 November 2016
Shadow Rank: 62 out 100 37%+
(As of 10 August 2017)
The Avengers (2012) 6 Nov '16 37% Chart IMDb

Planet of the Apes (1968)

Highest IMDb Top 250 Rank: 217 (on 10 October 2003)
Last IMDb Top 250 Appearance: 29 October 2010
Shadow Rank: 79 out 100 29%+
(As of 10 August 2017)
Planet of the Apes (1968) 29 Oct '10 29% Chart IMDb


FUTURE SHADOW 100 CANDIDATES (2-6 year projection)
The Maltese Falcon (1941)

Highest IMDb Top 250 Rank: 24 (on 05 October 1998)
Last IMDb Top 250 Appearance: ? (208 current rank)
Shadow Rank: est. 2 out 100 100%+
(As of 10 August 2017)
8.1 The Maltese Falcon (1941) 122,978 Chart IMDb

The Grapes of Wrath (1940)
 
Highest IMDb Top 250 Rank: 103 (on 1 April 2001)
Last IMDb Top 250 Appearance: ? (217 current rank)
Shadow Rank: est. 4 out 100 100%+
(As of 10 August 2017)
8.0 The Grapes of Wrath (1940) 68,901 Chart IMDb

Dog Day Afternoon (1975)

Highest IMDb Top 250 Rank: 154 (on 20 August 1998)
Last IMDb Top 250 Appearance: ? (247 current rank)
Shadow Rank: est. 8 out 100 100%+
(As of 10 August 2017)
8.0 Dog Day Afternoon (1975) 197,010 Chart IMDb

The Princess Bride (1987)
Highest IMDb Top 250 Rank: 25 (on 20 July 2012)
Last IMDb Top 250 Appearance: ? (213 current rank)
Shadow Rank: est. 12 out 100 100%+
(As of 10 August 2017)
8.1 The Princess Bride (1987) 317,843 Chart IMDb

The Wizard of Oz (1939)

Highest IMDb Top 250 Rank: 30 (on 30 December 1998)
Last IMDb Top 250 Appearance: ? (232 current rank)
Shadow Rank: est. 16 out 100 100%+
(As of 10 August 2017)
8.0 The Wizard of Oz (1939) 314,463 Chart IMDb

Twelve Monkeys (1995)

Highest IMDb Top 250 Rank: 30 (on 26 April 1996)
Last IMDb Top 250 Appearance: ? (238 current rank)
Shadow Rank: est. 20 out 100 100%+
(As of 10 August 2017)
8.0 Twelve Monkeys (1995) 495,994 Chart IMDb

Jaws (1975) 
Highest IMDb Top 250 Rank: 64 (on 1 September 2001)
Last IMDb Top 250 Appearance: ? (239 current rank)
Shadow Rank: est. 24 out 100 100%+
(As of 10 August 2017)
 8.0 Jaws (1975) 449,912 Chart IMDb

Groundhog Day (1993)

Highest IMDb Top 250 Rank: 132 (on 26 April 1996)
Last IMDb Top 250 Appearance: ? (234 current rank)
Shadow Rank: est. 28 out 100 100%+
(As of 10 August 2017)
8.0 Groundhog Day (1993) 478,328 Chart IMDb

Million Dollar Baby (2004)

Highest IMDb Top 250 Rank: 46 (on 11 December 2005)
Last IMDb Top 250 Appearance: ? (202 current rank)
Shadow Rank: est. 40 out 100 91%+
(As of 10 August 2017)
8.1 Million Dollar Baby (2004) 523,540 Chart IMDb

Rocky (1976)
 
Highest IMDb Top 250 Rank: 196 (on 20 July 2012)
Last IMDb Top 250 Appearance: ? (220 current rank)
Shadow Rank: est. 60 out 100 71%+
(As of 10 August 2017)
8.0 Rocky (1976) 413,426 Chart IMDb

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Maybe because both of these were essential for the Hollywood New Wave, I would rate Bonnie and Clyde (1967) or The Graduate (1967) the highest! 

The reason is- most of the people that start their journey of watching films by completing IMDb top 250. They need to see these films to know their influence on the movies in future.

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The Graduate is probably the consensus better movie, but Bonnie and Clyde was probably more influential on cinema. Both, are a bit of shock to be outside looking in on the the IMDb 250.

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How did you choose which films to include? I noticed you omitted some from the original list.

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Yes, I removed Stalag 17 and a couple others to the honorable mention designation. I wanted the initial poll answer option total to be closer to twenty-five than thirty-five. The list is derived from a pool of 100 movies on the Shadow 100, but I culled  the twenty-five movies that had the least recurrence, so the poll would remain current as those would be the first to be pushed out as new movies enter (see above FUTURE SHADOW 100 CANDIDATES (2-6 year projection). The remaining twenty-seven of the Top75 Shadow movies were  subjective choices: based on critical and popular acclaim, as well as, each movie's cultural, historical and industry significance. Also, I tried to have a poll answer assortment with broad appeal including mix of periods and genres. To some degree, the list mostly represents some the movies longest on the IMDB Top250 with nineteen out of longest twenty-five represented, but eight others with shorter reigns were included on their notable strengths.

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This might be one of the most infuriating and saddening poll suggestions... I couldn't believe all these movies disappeared from the Top 250, they've always been part of the Top ever since I registered, I never thought it could be possible for them to be replaced... it might sound silly but i thought some movies were 'untouchable', apparently not.

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Probably, a natural reaction to any list of long time listees that have fallen out of favor" It was my initial reaction, too. The Shadow Top 100 contains the titles that have disappeared from the IMDb Top 250 but have been on it longest. These are the titles with the highest recurrence." I fully expect some erosion in standing as time goes on as the pool of movies gets larger; but for some to fall so far, so quickly in the past twenty-five years is still a bit surprising.

On the other hand, maybe it's not as many older films may not have connect and be as relevant to more recent generations of movie-goers. Plus, twenty-five years actually represents a significant portion of time in history of film, to have 20% or 25% of the list
change should be expected or be considered normal attrition. Clearly, part of the allure of the IMDb Top 250 list is that is not static, ever-changing and adapting to new tastes and new generations of film fans.

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There's a sad irony when you look at the results of the voting: the ones that people would rate the highest (according to the vote totals) are all contemporary, post 2000 movies. It kind of confirms the logic of the shadow list ... really too bad.

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Yeah, I'm not sure I would have included The Avengers because it was pretty common for a superhero movie to be propelled in the Top 250 right after its release and then to see its popularity fade. But I thought it disappeared much earlier. All the other movies spent at least ten good years in the top, some were there as far back as I registered. 

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Aside from being recent, The Avengers is also by far the most rated film on the list, meaning it's probably the most seen by IMDb users. It's a strong showing for The Exorcist, which is in second place so far, but only the sixth most rated on the list.

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I would concur, the The Exorcist (1973) is the true winner here. Five of the top seven movies, The Avengers (2012), Sin City (2005), The Incredibles, (2004) Mystic River (2003), and Big Fish (2003) are newer movies and likely garner votes less because they better and more so because they have been widely seen among IMDb voters. IMDb voting on the whole and the IMDb Top 250 is influenced by users voting what they know and can identify with or is relevant to them.

Newer movies pushing better older movies off the IMDb Top 250 is likely a function of this as well. As the leading user generated top movies list, it his driven by popularity rather than greatness. It brings a perspective that has both advantages and disadvantages; appreciating it for what it is and not trying to make of more the omissions than what they are: great movies that are now less popular and less relevant than they once were. Still, it stings a bit to see some of these Shadow 100 movies, not included, I know they would be on my top 250.

These omissions of great, older movies are more indicative of the fact that they have been largely unseen by today's movie-goers, rather than indictment of their greatness or regard if they had been. As Peter points out, winning the poll is function of being widely seen: top 6 most voted movies on the list all made the six on the poll too.

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couldn't agree more...it's sad how ignorant today's movie goers are when it comes to classics like 'the graduate', 'notorious', and 'the hustler'...of course the poll was gonna skew towards the more current features on the list...a list, by the way, that should have 99% of it in the top 250, replacing the garbage that popularity propels to the top...

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Recent movies that have dropped out of the IMDb Top 250
(some are too recent to designate permanent)

Rank Title (Year) Last on top 250 Recurrence  
1. Gandhi (1982) 14 Aug '19 100%
2.
Groundhog Day (1993) 14 Aug '19 99%
3. The Wizard of Oz (1939) 5 Aug '19 99%
4. The Maltese Falcon (1941) 2 Aug '19 99%
5. Jaws (1975) 5 Aug '19 99%
6. The Grapes of Wrath (1940) 7 Aug '19 99%
7. Donnie Darko (2001) 8 Aug '19 98%
8. 81/2 (1963) 4 Jul '19 94%
9. Touch of Evil (1958) 11 Oct '18 93%
10. Annie Hall (1977) 19 Aug '18 93% *added 10 October 2018
11. The Best Years of Our Lives (1946) 19 Jun '19 92%
12. Dog Day Afternoon (1975) 29 Jul '19 92%
13. Twelve Monkeys (1995) 20 Jun '18 91% *added 10 October 2018
14. Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl (2003) 5 Aug '19 87%

IMDb TOP250 MOVIE SNAPSHOT - DROPOUTS updated 01/01/2020

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Shadow List - Longest Listed Titles (as of 14 Febuary 2022)