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Poll Suggestion: Face-Off: Almost Condemned by the Legion of Decency

The National Legion of Decency was a Catholic group founded in 1933 as an organization dedicated to identifying and combating objectionable content in motion pictures from the point of view of the American Catholic Church.

Some directors were forced to cut scenes to avoid having their work blacklisted with a "C" rating (condemned).

These movies below self-censored themselves because of the threat of sanctions by the Legion of Decency.

Which is your favorite title?

Source: List of films condemned by the Legion of Decency

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls088215795/

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4 years ago

I wasn't aware of The Legion of Decency.

But, they got a "fine" taste in films. /s

Rififi, 8 1/2, A Clockwork Orange, Breathless, and The Blue Angel are all in my Top 100.

PS: On the Wikipedia page, I see that there are more than 26 films.

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> PS: On the Wikipedia page, I see that there are more than 26 films.

Indeed, but aren't they kind of unknown?

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Not at all.

I know a lot of movies you missed, enough to overflow the list.

1) La bête humaine

2) Le jour se lève

3) Pépé le Moko

4) Hôtel du Nord

5) Black Narcissus 

6) Germania anno zero

7) La ronde

8) Sommarlek

9) Gycklarnas afton

10) L'avventura

11) Jules et Jim

12) Le mépris

13) Blowup

14) The Wicker Man

15) High Plains Drifter 

16) The Outlaw Josey Wales 

17) Dawn of the Dead 

Also, you have added Il buono, il brutto, il cattivo ( aka The Good, the Bad and the Ugly) twice.

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Ok, 35 tiles now.

Interesting, all movies above have rating > 7.5

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Of those movies suggested for addition, I've only seen Germania anno zero, High Plains Drifter and Dawn of the Dead, and I've never heard of most of the rest of them. Two of the three that I've seen, I hadn't known about them until a short while before I decided to watch them. So, this "not at all" bit doesn't necessarily carry much validity.

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So, this "not at all" bit doesn't necessarily carry much validity.

They are lesser-known, but not completely unknown. Most of them are from legendary filmmakers, and have more than 5 000 votes.

Dawn of the Dead has 100 000+ votes, directed by George A. Romero

The Outlaw Josey Wales has 60 000+ votes, directed by Clint Eastwood

High Plains Drifter has 50 000+ votes, directed by Clint Eastwood

The Wicker Man has 70 000+ votes (I didn't know the director)

Blowup has 50 000+ votes, directed by Antonioni

Le mépris 25 000+ votes, directed by Godard

Jules et Jim 30 000+ votes, directed by Truffaut

L'avventura 25 000+ votes, directed by Antonioni

Gycklarnas afton, 5 000+ votes, directed by Bergman

Sommarlek 5 000+ votes, directed by Bergman

La ronde almost 5 000 votes, directed by Ophuls

Germania anno zero 10 000+ votes, directed by Rossellini

Black Narcissus 20 000+ votes, directed by Michael Powell and Pressburger

Hôtel du Nord 2 000+ votes, directed by Carné

Pépé le moko 5 000+ votes, (I didn't know the director)

Le jour se lève 5 000+ votes, directed by Carné

La bête humaine 5 000+ votes, directed by Renoir

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4 years ago

FYC, there is an existing similar themed poll called Poll: Morally Bankrupt Classic Movies and it asks: 

Which movie classic condemned by the original Catholic Legion of Decency from 1933 to 1980 is your favorite? * minimum IMDb 7.0+ rating and at least 5,000 votes

It uses the same pool of answers and ask the same favorite question. I would tinker with your version to ask a different question and have a unique spin on the topic. Maybe, ask which film is most or least offensive or are you most shocked to see on the list or some other angle.

Interestingly, the legacy of the Catholic Legion of Decency lives on and still tells Catholic movie-goers which movies it deems worthy and those it is a mortal sin to view via the internet at websites, such as Movies | National Catholic Register and Movie Reviews - Catholic News Service

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@urbanemovies

ok, it's a quick patch-up. 

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I think if you like the list , then just asking a different non favorite question is okay. I like the idea of putting a spotlight on censorship, I just thought two near identical polls would be a waste and a fresh spin on the topic is welcomed.

IDEA

Plus, a poll that used foreign titles could demonstrate how far-reaching the  influence of the American group was.

The list totals over 350 titles, and that doesn't include all films that self-censored themselves because of threat of sanctions. Being almost condemned is just as bad because it limits freedom, creativity and free speech by the film-makers.

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Hi, I liked " self-censored themselves because of threat of sanctions" and I used it in the text if you don't mind...

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No, I don't mind if use it.

I think self-censorship is a worse problem than the actual censorship or banning itself. The Motion Picture Association film rating system has become modern day standard bearer for morality in films over the past 50 years. At least to some degree the labels are scaleable as to how immoral a film is, but the power is still there. PG and to a lesser extent, PG-13 movies are the biggest grossing segment of movies, by far. Both ratings are the best guarantee your film will appeal to the widest audience.

An NC-17 rating is the kiss of death commercially and even a R rating is undesirable. R rating are commercially limiting because they place a cap on the box office. The R rating means forging the lucrative teen market, while even some adults won't consider a R rated film. The situation was even worse prior to the introduction of the PG-13 rating. The hammer then and now is the same, it is always about money and producers are keenly aware these labels have on a film's commercial success.

Like any rating system, this one has it flaws as demonstrated when it can give relatively family-friendly fare such as Billy Elliot and Erin Brockovich (which were both rated R for language) the same R rating that films that push the extremes of violence, like Pulp Fiction and Kill Bill got.

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The choices of the ratings board have become messed up, as films rated PG-13 can can have all manners of violence (except for rape) in them as long as there is essentially no gore to with it, whereas films not showing any violence whatsoever and not showing any hard drugs but having too much nudity (even absent sexual context) or even curse words will be rated R. Sometimes the mere element of hellish demonic antagonists or magical evils perceivable as having devastating advantages over compassionate moral protagonists can be cause for a rating assignment to be pushed away from G and toward NC-17.

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3 years ago

If you only have three films, then this should be a Face-Off

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3 days ago

bump 2025