Poll Suggestion: Films or Movies à Clef

@urbanemovies​ 

> (see the selected notable films à clef list)

I don't undestand, all movies are also on that list.

You made a similar suggestion, perhaps if I remove the overlapping titles: casino, citizen kane, private ryan, etc. 

@mariojacobs​  The wiki list details which ones are more fiction than fact, so it should be easy to figure out. The whole idea of a ​film à clef is that should mirror the real person's life with only a substitution key needed for the real names and fictional names.

I guess my point is some of the titles are such gross exagerations, it not accurate to call them ​film à clefs at all. For instance, I don't think that The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou could be easily mistaken for The Life Aquatic with Jacques Cousteau.

I think we can share the same general theme and answer pool, so long as we are asking totally different questions. My concern is having a  ​film à clef poll that doesn't have ​film à clefs on it. I also think a lot of the titles listed on Wikipedia is poor, since half them seem to have caveats attached. If you agree, you should make the edits, otherwise if you disagree don't.

@urbanemovies​ How am I going to decide which ones to remove?

Those with

partially based...

inspired loosely...

in the description?

@mariojacobs​ Yes, those phrases should all be "red flags" along with anything else that means fictionalized.

In the interest of simplicity, I personally object for their fact:fiction ratios to Saving Private Ryan (1998), All Good Things (2010), The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou (2004).

To a lesser extent, I feel The Devil Wears Prada (2006) and Stagecoach (1939) should be removed too, for the significant part fictional charters play in these ensemble movies. I am not saying there is no truth in these movies or some things didn't happen for real, just that they have slid too far down the History vs. Hollywood scale to be called ​film à clefs, IMHO.

That same list also has plenty of titles that are not listed in your answer pool that are without those issues. I think if you are going to explain what a ​film à clefs is, your listed answers should fit that definition too (that why need to delete some and add others that do not fit or fit).

@urbanemovies​ included

 

All the King's Men

1949 | Movie 

 7,4 (15.719)

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Huey Long

Added
25 Apr 2023

 

Almost Famous

2000 | Movie 

 7,9 (282.580)

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Cameron Crowe

Added
25 Apr 2023

 

Alpha Dog

2006 | Movie 

 6,9 (105.109)

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Jesse James Hollywood

Added
25 Apr 2023

 

Diva

1981 | Movie 

 7,1 (13.781)

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Jessye Norman

Added
25 Apr 2023

 

Guru

2007 | Movie 

 7,7 (24.336)

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Dhirubhai Ambani

Added
25 Apr 2023

 

The Last Samurai

2003 | Movie 

 7,8 (450.423)

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Jules Brunet

Added
25 Apr 2023

 

Magnolia

1999 | Movie 

 8,0 (318.437)

    7

Paul Thomas Anderson

Added
25 Apr 2023

 

Monsieur Verdoux

1947 | Movie 

 7,8 (18.231)

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Henri Désiré Landru

Added
25 Apr 2023

@mariojacobs​ I don't get how Magnolia (1999) or Diva (1981) are thinly veiled stories about a particular person or even how they could be called true enough or semi-true stories to be called ​film à clefs. 

@urbanemovies​ Magnolia removed:

• Magnolia (1999), is loosely inspired by Paul Thomas Anderson's experience in dealing with his father's death from cancer.

@mariojacobs​  It certainly is your call, but movies where it is grossly obvious who the fictional character is, it is believable they would act as they are being portrayed and falls into one of the reasons for using the film or roman à clef method, I think are all right. 

Obviously, if there are stronger candidates, like movies similar to Primary Colors, I would list those films first.

My point is that you should be listing the obvious choices first and the fringe options last, or maybe not even at all. Movies where the connection is one tiny detail that gets extrapoliated (Niland Bros.) into a fictional movie that even isn't about the brothers themselves or the characterization is so totally unbelievable that nobody would believe that Jacques-Yves Cousteau would act like Steve Zissou shouldn't be in answer pool at all, IMHO.

•  The Devil Wears Prada (2006) inspired by 
• Citizen Kane (1941), is partially based on the life of William Randolph Hearst.
• All That Jazz (1979) musical film by Bob Fosse loosely based on his struggle with life and health during post production of his 1974 film Lenny and his 1975 Broadway musical Chicago.
• Last Days (2005), a barely concealed dramatization of Kurt Cobain's final days.

@urbanemovies​ ok , then.

Included

 

Primary Colors

1998 | Movie 

 6,7 (29.490)

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Bill Clinton

Added
27 Apr 2023

 

The Devil Wears Prada

2006 | Movie 

 6,9 (432.958)

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Anna Wintour

Added
27 Apr 2023

 

Citizen Kane

1941 | Movie 

 8,3 (449.100)

    9

William Randolph Hearst

Added
27 Apr 2023

 

All That Jazz

1979 | Movie 

 7,8 (33.276)

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Bob Fosse

Added
27 Apr 2023

 

Last Days

2005 | Movie 

 5,7 (23.173)

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Kurt Cobain

Added
27 Apr 2023

@mariojacobs​, FYC 

• façade should be facade
• As asked this question, Which film à clef is your favorite?, implies your list is exhaustive. Maybe, Which  of these selected film à clefs is your favorite?, would be more accurate.

@urbanemovies​ thank you, done.